Toxic culture of education: Joshua Katz at TEDxUniversityofAkron

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  • Joshua Katz is a high school math teacher in Orange County, FL.

    Joshua's Talk:
    In the mid 1800's, Horace Mann captured the potential impact of education on society. We have yet to realize the potential he saw, and in fact, we are missing the mark by a wider and wider margin. We have created a "Toxic Culture of Education" in our country that is damaging students, impacting our economy, and threatening our future. Since the passage of No Child Left Behind, we have embraced a culture of high stakes testing and are perpetuating a false sense of failure in our schools. We have ignored research and data on effective policy making practices in order to serve the interest of private industries that have monetized our students. The impact is being felt in communities, on college campuses, and in our economy. The solution lies in a common sense approach to student development, curriculum choice, career exploration, and relevant data analysis. This talk will present a vision of an education system that allows us to embrace our full potential if we only had the courage to ask "Why Not"?

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Comments: 682

  • Asthetical
    Asthetical 4 days ago

    Why isnt this channel on tv so our governments know this and actually consider this. I dont think the government officials watch youtube at all xD

  • Pyro-Ice Queen
    Pyro-Ice Queen 4 days ago

    I attended a Christian school years before this testing started. We were used as beta testers in third grade to test out the new FCAT for Florida. That was two weeks of constant testing. Stressful doesn't begin to cover it. However I was lucky. No. I was blessed. My teachers reached out and developed a relationship with us and learned what we liked and how we each leaned. He's right. Several tests have shown these standard tests don't work. In fact they hurt students. I'm a bio major so all my classes help me learn and develop my skills. I've recently leaves about this common core and wow is it weird. To me they need to get rid of it and fast. When I was little (im 25) you helped each student. My aunt is a teacher. She does everything for her students but is judged by those dumb grades. They've closed schools because of those stupid test yet we need more schools. I think the only way out of these test is parents and teachers are going to have to just stand up and say NO MORE. Until then I don't think it will change. What we need is more trade schools like Europe does instead of stupid test that really doesn't tell of the individual student. I also didn't know they dropped home ec. That's needed this day in age with debts and loans. They really are screwing students. I once read that this is all to make a generation of drones. I'm afraid that story was right.

  • Jc Wong
    Jc Wong 5 days ago

    I put up all my effort in scoring the final exam in the last year of high school, and the result turned out well. I was satisfied and I honoured what I have achieved. But soon, I found out that I have lost all my motivation to think, and I started to struggle in university. My future that was once so clear to me, seems entirely diminished as I am scared now to even think about a small math question. University requires me to think independently, and when I get the answer wrong, I just can't move on. I once put all my belief in the education, the school tells me how successful I could be. Now I doubt it all.

  • Ionut Rus
    Ionut Rus 6 days ago

    Inability to do maths is stupidity, however much an artist you are otherwise. If you can't work out how to add 2 and 2, it is a clear sign of intelligence failure. Almost everything in life has a connection to match, you screw that up, you're braindead.

    What kind of an educator puts art and math in the same category? Does he even understand the damage he is doing now?

    So, sorry: if you're bad at math, you are, for all intents and purposes, stupid.

  • MrVpassenheim
    MrVpassenheim 9 days ago

    He makes a lot of good points in the first 5 minutes and then throws in something like "there simply is no money in long term student success" when speaking of private education companies seeking to turn a profit. That makes no sense. If your company sells a bad product, the word gets around and nobody then is willing to buy it. Result - you go out of business. Going out of business is, by definition, not a good business model! The thing that bugs me, is that he throws that out and doesn't back it up. Of course, this is an open-ended monologue with NO counterpoint offered by the so-called "super villain" or ANYBODY else for that matter. You're only getting part of the story. In my experience, that's the making of a scam.

    Don't get me wrong, he's got A LOT of good ideas, but the bogeyman isn't private education companies. I was in 9th grade in 1983 and I remember at least several years prior to that thinking how POOR the quality of education was at public schools, and that had NOTHING to do with whether or not "Nathalie" hadn't eaten the previous night or was a child sex slave (for goodness sake, where the HELL is this guy teaching?!) . Back then it had NOTHING to do with the private education companies, because they were practically non-existent. Yes, Common Core SUCKS, and yes he's right about a lot of other things, but to say that public schools are broken because of the "super villain" private education companies is UTTER HOGWASH. Please provide a counterpoint before you act like you know all the contributing factors and facts.

  • Estevan Valladares
    Estevan Valladares 9 days ago

    "The mass movements of minorities small but highly organized and driven, each tries to get power through means it could never have by numbers or persuasion. This groups are by definition absolutely politically oriented." - Drucker, Peter F.

    People like to be inclusive only when this inclusion is politically relevant. I see no one trying to include education by itself, driving criticism to education by criticizing the education professionals.

    The irony is that our education is bad because people in education are not experienced people on the field, but education professionals perpetuating academic narrow minded concepts to grade professional competence. Exactly the opposite to what the person on the video is defending.

    We have bad education because we are driven to normalize the education by the line of lowest denominator to include everyone. There are people who are bad in this or that, and it is not ok, either they get better, or they get out. What if someone is bad at math and get no job because of that ? Should the people who are good at math wait them, because they cant or most of the time wont try to get better ?

    Art, cool. Most people talking about art knows nothing about art. They just self proclaim themselves artists, having no clue about art at all. Art is not something you learn in school ? fine. Let school for that which is learned in schools then.

    Inclusion is by its own method, a form of making things worse. Instead of getting people to make themselves better, we just making everything easier and less efficient.

  • Dennis S
    Dennis S 11 days ago

    Michio Kaku calls US public education system the worst in the world

  • Kai Simone
    Kai Simone 17 days ago

    Art is not an option when it comes to developing cognitively. Art (music & visual) carry essential elements of Math, Science, History & Literature. It also increases comprehension.

  • Andron MacBeton
    Andron MacBeton 18 days ago

    That guy is retarded. A walking verbal dhiarhea

  • Patrick Mao
    Patrick Mao 20 days ago

    The Matthew Mcconaughey of Education. Great speech!

  • 1984Kojot
    1984Kojot 21 day ago

    In my present life i remember maybe 10% what i have learned in schools (i was almost always good student or even very good) but 90% knowledge that i use in work comes from work and learning for my own at home. I live good enough in poor but european country. Do we really need to waste so much time in all schools when they are so much not effective??

  • William Tyndale
    William Tyndale 25 days ago

    The honors classes don't have the students who refuse to comply with the system, many of which are talented and very intelligent.  Why should an intelligent student cooperate with a system that abuses him or her?

  • Ethan Haworth
    Ethan Haworth 25 days ago

    Really Inspiring!

  • iluvart1482
    iluvart1482 26 days ago


  • Eddie Diesel
    Eddie Diesel 28 days ago

    There was no Moon Landing ! 82 year old Hollywood cameraman Max Canard comes clean about his role in the Apollo moon landing hoax.

  • that really updated my journal

    Easily the best talk on TED. Sends chills up my spine every time. As an aspiring teacher this guy is pure inspiration.

  • magicalmuffinmonster

    He's so right. I spent my entire junior year in an AP Gov course, got a 4 on the exam and don't remember a word of it. You've got students who are being shut down because they don't "measure up" and you've got students like me who have just figured out how to test well without really knowing anything. Nobody's benefitting.

  • Leshego Lerutla
    Leshego Lerutla 1 month ago


  • The Kehwanna Coast
    The Kehwanna Coast 1 month ago

    If only they would listen to people like this man rather than throw stones at him. Ever notice that the good and fair ideas that are very much possible are labeled too good to be true or utopian while the bad unfair ones are called practical despite evidence showing otherwise? It's as if those representing the public purposely choose to go the bumpy hill on a wagon rather than take the incline down. Ethical and fair is not unrealistic, choosing to do the same poorly executed or thought out unethical and unfair decisions and expecting great results is unrealistic.

  • aeopmusic
    aeopmusic 1 month ago

    "I never let my schooling interfere with my education" ~ Mark Twain

  • Ruth Barr
    Ruth Barr 1 month ago

    I didn't get maths until I was an adult, I'm great at anything creative. I'd hate to be in education now I'd be officially stupid. I'm lucky I was born in a time when education was open minded.

  • Bobby Morelli
    Bobby Morelli 1 month ago

    "We missed the point[...]"rigor" has replaced "relevant" "

  • love inallwedo
    love inallwedo 1 month ago

    Absolutely amazing!

  • Vlad Xavier
    Vlad Xavier 1 month ago

    A private education system works, so long as the state or feds are not masking tax payer funds for a monopoly...

    Prove me wrong...

    The ability for the state and feds to allow a monopoly on textbook material providers like McGraw Hill to be used for all education purposes is extremely illegal...

    Monopolies ONLY work when the government is giving them immunity...

  • josh fritz
    josh fritz 1 month ago

    i was taught about algebra and calculus instead of credit and loans. day # 756 since i graduated high school, and i have still not used either of those previously mentioned skills i learned there.

  • kisty phillips
    kisty phillips 1 month ago

    very informative. Thanks for sharing.

  • Erik Buchholz
    Erik Buchholz 1 month ago

    Home Economics is not rigorous? Doesn't that depend upon the course, not the topic?

  • Scott Crook
    Scott Crook 1 month ago

    I think I missed the logic here. Children suffer fools for parents and pay the prices for other's decisions. How will a smack-down on private education material providers change that reality?

  • Violet T
    Violet T 2 months ago

    Yes! Couldn't say it better myself. Thank you!

  • Adam
    Adam 2 months ago

    am i the only one who this guy reminds of zack de la rocha? :)

  • Yvonne Lee
    Yvonne Lee 2 months ago

    i just love the fact how everyone HATES the education system, gave me hope in this world

  • Thu Ta Naing
    Thu Ta Naing 2 months ago

    99 salted teachers disliked this xD

  • Vinny Champeau
    Vinny Champeau 2 months ago

    This guy needs a bigger audience.

  • Jason grant
    Jason grant 2 months ago

    It true

  • heather west
    heather west 2 months ago

    Classical education... learn about it.

  • joshua2799
    joshua2799 2 months ago

    What are we gonna do about it? I would just go with the system , as bad as it is or old, just for survival. I'm being realistic. I do agree with people like him and Prince Era, but are we going to do something about it

  • kichigaisensei
    kichigaisensei 2 months ago

    Don't tell me that the private school industry has orchestrated the failure of public schools. There is no more powerful lobbying group in the United States than the NEA with the possible exception of the NRA.

  • Carson The unwanted man

    What I hate is that even the teachers know this is true. A few weeks back, i asked my math teacher when we were ever going to use what we were learning outside of school (I think it was exponents, but i'm probably wrong, my memory is fried). I asked her, and she looked at me with the saddest expressing i've ever seen that woman have, and she said "You most likely never will, and I'm sorry for that."

  • KC Bakeneko
    KC Bakeneko 2 months ago

    Of course this makes sense. He's in the trenches. He should be secretary of education.

  • Learning best
    Learning best 2 months ago

    how to get better grades:

  • Jordan Freytag
    Jordan Freytag 2 months ago

    Thank you, Joshua

  • Kenny Mota
    Kenny Mota 2 months ago

    I spent my High School years in a public school, learned nothing. In fact all i saw kids learning was how to "fit in" how to "judge" how to divide eachother and how to be part of the next "social trend" its sad. I remember i asked my math teacher for help once and her response was " i cant help you, this is an independent class" i remember being so fustrated because i wanted to learn and was rejected IN A CLASSROOM. All i saw was a bunch of rowdy kids laughing at her response to me. This wasnt the only obstical i faced. Things like this would happen on a daily basis to other students. Being in such an ignorant enviorment made me loose motivation for learning and caused me to feel as if i werent cabable of achieving much, so i stopped going to school. I didnt drop out nor let the enviorment influence me, but my grades were horrible. This caught everyone by surprise because people knew how open minded and smart i was. Now, because, of this experience i learned how much of a buisnees school is made to uninform the kids of our future on issues that really matter. ive been educating myself as of recent. i learned more in this talk than 4 years at my public high school. I cant be anymore serious right now.

  • Wyatt Best
    Wyatt Best 2 months ago

    Character is primarily learned from parents. The failure of American education is a failure of the American family. His solution is dangerous. We DON'T want educators replacing parents even more than they already do. The state, having discarded Christian values, lacks the moral foundation to tell students what is right and what is wrong.

    Yes, private education publishing companies are sucking money out of the system, but government policies are enabling that. These companies don't make laws, politicians do. We, the electorate, are at fault for not replacing them with politicians who will not be bought by the education lobby.

  • Daniel Kwak
    Daniel Kwak 2 months ago

    May the corrupt educators see the light of personality and diversity, accept the real world and not a box, for when a corporation or government values numbers over achievements then ill not listen, for we are all different, and the school and school system doesn't accept this while also killing creativity therefore may this message be accepted, as life is an adventure, and not a road, may those who are against schools have the right to say what they want to say, for america and many other countries will not be great from education up, so please promote logic and value, and support this video, and not numbers and anti-logical reasoning, and have a great day.

  • Sunako Akazawa
    Sunako Akazawa 2 months ago

    ok so they say that i'm the "best" student in my school, but i can feel school killing me. I am not really the "best", i don't really learn at home or anything, just my native intelligence and my luck (that's what i'm running on most of the time). And i told my mom that, when i was studying yesterday for a physics test that i didn't want to learn, that i didn't understand anything. Through the coversation, my mom asked me if there is anyone " better" than me at school. I told her "yes, a classmate. But it has nothing to do with it. She is good at math, languages and things like that, while i'm creative, and more connected to the spiritual side". My mom: " And how will that help you in life with?"
    Me: "How are gonna physics problems help me in life?"
    Mom: "Well what if you wanted to calculate the intensity of-
    Me: "I can guarantee you that i will never do that"

  • Perky Pig
    Perky Pig 2 months ago

    I got my GCSE's in two months and it is scary to think that I may not go on to further education.

  • Getwidit
    Getwidit 2 months ago

    Still in school. Soul is crushed. Soul is dead.

  • Nick Devereaux
    Nick Devereaux 2 months ago

    Teacher from Australia. I have spent hours sitting through the big sell of 'new systems', 'new products', 'new ways of 'teaching'' etc. Sighing at the same crap being espoused about this mythical group of children/ learners. If these children only had a decent 'new...' and add 'good teacher' they would all be doctors, engineers, etc so called 'successes' vs the current majority of 'failures'. Listening to Josh made me feel like it was me ranting again. I am so tired of this. I just loved Josh's views. I would add to not only valuing all the students, 'fish that can not climb trees' but also valuing all the occupations that exist in our communities. Without these 'failure' occupations, doctors and engineers would be nothing, lost, unable to do their job or decorate their home. We need everyone and everyone should be valued in our communities. We do not need new ways of proving failure but instead more ways of inspiring a future no matter what skill that requires or what role in society that may be.

  • TheMadMynah
    TheMadMynah 2 months ago

    Wait a minute. This talk is fantastic, and it explains so much, but why are 90% of the chairs empty?

    Oh, right. Nobody wants to change the system because "It worked well enough for me."

  • Aadit Bhatia
    Aadit Bhatia 3 months ago

    Now, Schools are trying to keep 'Rigor" bu also have some sort of system where kids that need more help get it. This is even worse, as when the test comes, everyone feels worse looking at their grade.

  • Aadit Bhatia
    Aadit Bhatia 3 months ago

    Why would you need more textbooks for Algebra???????? I'm pretty sure that nobody needs to update Algebra. Geography is different.

  • Bighippie00
    Bighippie00 3 months ago

    Unless you have the money to fight the money, nothing will get done unless if is for profit. This video is almost 3 years old, and there are videos like it that are older, and nothing is changing. Nothing will change, until it is too late...

  • DJ Aurorawaterz
    DJ Aurorawaterz 3 months ago

    . :'-)

  • Lisha Yost
    Lisha Yost 3 months ago

    WOW! This is definitely one of the best TED talks I've ever watched. Joshua, thank you! I am not a teacher, but I complete agree with everything you said. All the systems that our gov creates become corrupt because it's always about the money/prestige/power/ego, etc. Keep spreading the word everyone! Rigor vs. Relevancy! Exactly! School should be relevant, otherwise, what is it really for, other than to show how good or bad your schools are doing (via standardized tests) and some kids just aren't good at taking tests, it's that simple. And if there is any accountability in the school system, it should be that all teachers hold EACH OTHER accountable. Not some outside source/lobbyists, etc who spend no time in the classroom holding the teachers/students accountable. That is ludicrous. Anyone ever been to a 12 step program? The program works because no one is above anyone else, and everyone has the same goal and is there to help each other and hold each other accountable to be/become their best selves. It's about priorities and our gov has upside-down priorities. The gov systems are not in place because the gov cares about its people. It is all about money and control. If our priorities were correct, we'd care more about relevancy than rigor. I was actually good at math in high school, but I still don't know what a trinomial is and I've never had to use it outside of school in my entire life. Let's make school relevant again!

  • TMinus Neutron
    TMinus Neutron 3 months ago

    I had disagreed with this at first. Then I gave it another thought after I observed that students are given 30 minutes to create a project, or write an essay, they're given two days to study for a quiz atop of assignments in their other classes. So basically, the school system expects our brains to operate and function like machines, precisely remembering information, critically thinking and coming up with genius, creative ideas within a half hour or less, not only is it anxiety-inducing, it's not quite right, because, as a ninth grade honours student, half of my friends suffer from depression and anxiety, and are suicidal. They're considered to be the ones who are flawed, although, in actuality, the system may be flawed.

  • DarieGames
    DarieGames 3 months ago

    This statement applies with me so much: "I met with our district and pitched an idea to bring back Home Economics, but this time as a math credit. First words in the response: “it’s not rigorous”. So, forget relevance. Forget teaching students about measurements, about taxes and discounts, about loans, about debt, event planning, or the reality of fractions. It’s not as rigorous as Factoring Trinomials."
    As I'm exiting high school I'm seeing all of these real world numbers, like taxes and managing money. I'm lucky since my dad knows all that stuff, but what about the students who don't have someone to teach them those skills. It could be empowering for students to learn about taxes and budgeting. You know the essential skills that are useful in the real world.

  • Paul Buchanan
    Paul Buchanan 3 months ago

    What we really don't need is a shiny new mathmatics textbook every single year, and the same Social Studies book from 1994. Math is math, it's a static theory at these levels. Social Science, International Diplomacy, and Current Events build a more stable baseline understanding of their world. Then teach rote mathematics in their correct context, as a tool not an obstical.

  • Keyos
    Keyos 3 months ago

    It's getting worse too! Betsy Devos as the Education Secretary is going to make privatization of our schools a lot worse.

  • Zack Mitchell
    Zack Mitchell 3 months ago

    Totally agree!! As a college student I have no idea why I am studying such abstract Calculus for. Show us how and why we are learning all these stuff, and the hunger for knowledge will be with the students

  • Mandie Cain
    Mandie Cain 3 months ago

    When he got to the part of a 3rd grader writing his own name, I lost it. As I sit here crying that is my son, exactly his story. The education system failed him. It took moving him to TX for him to finally write his name. And when, he had spent 3 mths at his new school, he actually wrote a letter to his sisters. It was at that moment I knew he was exactly where he was suppose to be. He finally had a teacher who cared, saw in him what I saw and believed in him as I did. It's been almost a year and it's time to redo the paperwork on the temporary guardianship for another year. It saddens me, that here in OK my son could not have received the same education. I hear and see the vast amount of comments on social media from parents and teachers on education and how broken it is here in Oklahoma but I digest it remains the same Ol same. We need real change, tangible change or I fear the students in Oklahoma are stuck. Once my son does come back to OK, I will have no other choice but to homeschool him if he is to have any chance at all as an adult in this world. I had friend once tell I had no right to be complaining because I wasn't in the PTA. Excuse me while I readjust my dog in this fight. As long as I have a child in any school I will always have a dog in this fight and every right to question his education. To push teachers to think outside the box. I refuse to accept the fact that my son is viewed as a dollar sign.

  • Robert Lancey
    Robert Lancey 3 months ago

    I had to comment again I'm almost in tears. Joshua Katz is my new hero, this guy is amazing I'm so hyped I swear EVERY SINGLE POINT HE MADE IS 100% ACCURATE AND TRUE TO TODAY'S WORLD. JOSHUA KATZ!!!!!!!!!! This guy is amazing I can't stress it enough

  • Robert Lancey
    Robert Lancey 3 months ago

    This is absolutely breathtaking, his articulation and emotional temperament is .... I don't know I'm speechless let's get this guy a household name somehow I'm just in awe

  • Christian Gerber
    Christian Gerber 3 months ago

    he acts like its easy to educate 100 million people.

    your not set in stone ether with standardized testing. there is plenty of people who dropped out, barely passed or just simply did not go to highschool/University who have done absolutely amazing in life.

  • The Cesspool of Edginess

    This is beautiful

  • Dominic Arazmo
    Dominic Arazmo 3 months ago

    I completely agree with this guy, I am 14 in the 8th grade and my grades were fine until the 8th grade, my grades are the worst they have ever been in my life. At the beginning of the 8th grade I had A's B's and a few c's, now in the 3rd quarter I have 2 d's 2 f's and 1 c in my core classes. I agree with him on how people are failing because they have no interest or curiosity in specific things. I am a smart person, but nothing in school interests me.

  • Morphwing //The Anime Savvanah

    Did I just hear a mic drop?
    But I wholeheartedly agree as a middle-school student and think that Pearson and ALEC have no place in our society.

  • Thomas Schmitt
    Thomas Schmitt 3 months ago

    Bravo!! How do we start as the parents of a 12-year old?

    • Mandie Cain
      Mandie Cain 3 months ago

      I would like to know too! Am very sure we not alone in this. My kiddos are 10&11! I wholeheartedly believe next school year we will be homeschooling. The Oklahoma education system sucks hard boiled eggs and I don't foresee any changes soon. My 11 yr old told me the other day that the only news channel they are allowed to watch is CNN, if that doesn't scream reform I don't know what does.

  • Sidney Liebrand
    Sidney Liebrand 3 months ago

    I cried tears of joy while watching this video. ;*)

  • Seraph Lockhart
    Seraph Lockhart 3 months ago

    The education system is flawed. Without a doubt. Students including me are made to choose a minimum of 7 subjects some of which have no real life application- not in your intended career path or interest- only because it looks good on paper. I try to be in the middle with my school work cause I do not want to be consumed by the competition that is (apparently) happening around me. No bragging but I do not require much effort to understand my subject matter and I do fairly well in this system but that DOES NOT mean I agree with it. When this man talked about Pearson I cheered him on in my head because honestly- what he said is so true. It's sad that people value a stupid mark on a paper more than your actually practical skills or thinking capabilities. The world is a messed up place especially with these conventional myopic views of education.

  • Damien DeLaGarza
    Damien DeLaGarza 3 months ago

    How telling such a small audience is...
    A huge congregation for technology laden dystopian or utopian visions of the future, yet nothing more than a handful for the fate of innovation and creativity.

  • VideoMasher3000
    VideoMasher3000 3 months ago

    Dude sounds like the naked ape.

  • TotalDarkness
    TotalDarkness 3 months ago

    you can only do as well as the curriculum provided to you.

  • GrieverTV
    GrieverTV 3 months ago

    I've got to say.. This man is quite a phenomenal speaker. He not only hit every point of the truth, but also delivered with such a powerful impact. It's quite a shame that greed is such a powerful sin with such a devastating impact..

  • Craftman2917
    Craftman2917 4 months ago

    And that's why my mom doesn't give me SATs for homeschooling. That's right, it's legal for homeschoolers to not take tests, at least for middle school because I'm not in high scool yet.

  • Stephen B. Smith
    Stephen B. Smith 4 months ago

    Lebron James sucks

  • Sophia Insanity
    Sophia Insanity 4 months ago

    What he said about art subjects is entirely true. I've been heading towards an artistic field of work all of my life, I've talked with professionals and was shown possibilities and jobs revolving around art. School, on the other hand, has completely removed art, music and theatre as subjects. They don't exist. In my school, they just don't exist anymore, and the tragically ironic thing is that I live in Greece, a country famous for it's ancient history. So, in the ancient educational system in Greece, art was as important as mathematics because it was considered food for psychological intelligence. In today's time, we praise and admire the mental state of these ancient people and tell ourselves we should be proud of our ancestors, while completely ignoring their notions and discoveries. Instead we are too busy learning ancient Greek like it's being spoken outside.

  • evilsanta8585
    evilsanta8585 4 months ago

    he is right

  • AR Records
    AR Records 4 months ago

    This man should be the the president of the world.

  • Nate De Leon
    Nate De Leon 4 months ago

    Honestly, I'm homeschooled which is a litter better than being public schooled in my opinion and this is still these ted talks are what keep me going through school without completely losing my cool when I study

  • Daisy Nuno
    Daisy Nuno 4 months ago

    I couldn't agree with you more. I currently work inside a low poverty elementary school. I hear the teachers mention exactly what your saying.

  • Melanie S
    Melanie S 4 months ago

    I agree about toxic culture, and honestly teachers often are part of this toxic culture and bully the students who are different or don't do well. I've seen this with my very eyes. Testing is awful and should be done away with. But to give teachers more power, I disagree.

  • Elizabeth perez
    Elizabeth perez 5 months ago

    I teach my son I set the foundation for learning. btw "doing school" is a really good book to read

  • SRT480
    SRT480 5 months ago

    We just elected a guy wh is putting private religious education at the top of the list for public schooling.

    • החלל הזן את
      החלל הזן את 5 months ago

      He also denies the science of climate change and fills his circle with creationists. ready for another intellectual dark age?

  • G'Karion Moore
    G'Karion Moore 5 months ago

    That's my teacher!!!

  • G'Karion Moore
    G'Karion Moore 5 months ago

    That's my teacher!!!!🙌🙌

  • The Machine
    The Machine 5 months ago

    Not to mention all the emotional abuse these kids receive from other kids that is not addressed that will literally last t their whole life.

    • The Machine
      The Machine 4 months ago

      it can if its not addressed. See.. why do you feel the need to degrade anybody in particular at all? its the idea that we can just give up on people-even if they're mentally handicapped- this idea... is the source of the vice we have in society- the emotional internalizing. Why do you think america thrived when christian values alone were allowed to flourish in the home? We're talking about the foundations of society... "If someone has such serious problems" then "that society" is not fit for them. Also why multiculturalism doesn't work btw.

    • Grant OBrien
      Grant OBrien 4 months ago

      getting picked on or insulted will last the rest of your life? if someone has such serious problems with their self esteem or emotions, they're probably not fit for society.

  • Steve The Philosophist

    9:00 You forgot disability and morale. The faculty might not be bad faculty, but the idea of telling a student "you fail" is what's damaging. Video games leave players feeling fine about losing because they get to tackle everything again, and again and again, and immediately see what they did wrong. The struggle is worth taking hours of trial and error, because at the end of every day the game gives them infinite lives. Having a fail grade stick with your gpa and telling you that you have to ignore a year of effort on your part to make it disappear only shows students how limited their lives are.

    Not to mention, if a C is average and a D is failing, the efficiency of the teaching system needs to be put in question because most students are on the verge of failing every term. B should be the average grade given by a good teacher.

  • Steve The Philosophist

    So much this! How can I help push this message as an experienced math tutor who is struggling to get a degree?

  • Theworldforacountry
    Theworldforacountry 5 months ago

    I so agree with you, Joshua!

  • Denise Duran
    Denise Duran 5 months ago

    Recently, I've realized that my biggest concern in this world is our health and education. In order for me to make a difference in education in the U.S. what should I do? Are there organizations out there that support 'changing the school system'.

  • Liberty4Ever
    Liberty4Ever 5 months ago

    why not allow teachers to create their own methods of evaluating the academic success of their students? That's a great idea! We could also improve the testing results if we just allowed students to grade their own tests.. or write their own tests. I agree with a lot of what was said in this video. Education for profit isn't the answer. But many teachers believe that simply throwing money at the problem will make it better. When I was in school there was one teacher for 30 children. Now there's a teacher and a teacher's assistant and the results are worse than we were getting 40 years ago. There was a bus driver. Now there's a bus driver and the bus monitor. And behavioral problems on the bus are worse today than they were then. True a lot of the problems are what was mentioned in this video. Their problems that started home. We do need more accountability but we have a government that provides a strong financial incentive for single parent families. We should start focusing on that problem.

    • Liberty4Ever
      Liberty4Ever 2 months ago

      Thank you for watching The Philosophy of Liberty. It's the most concise way that I could suggest to present the ideas I was trying to convey. I added the warning that you might need to watch it more than once because it seems that everyone needs to watch it more than once. Just as the rules of chess are fairly simple, but the strategies that arise from those simple rules are very complex, the simple concepts presented in that eight minute video represent an entire philosophy that is seldom appreciated but would, in my opinion, result in a much more peaceful and prosperous world.

      You defend progressive income tax, as a means to produce equal outcomes in society, as a means to make things fair. I'd argue that there are several problems with a progressive income tax. Here's my non-comprehensive short list:

      Another way of explaining a progressive income tax, where the more you make, the more they take is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". That's the motto of communism. It's been attempted many, many times throughout human history and it always ends in failure. Usually, that failure involves the death of millions.

      A progressive income tax gives too much money to government. To anyone who sees government as a good thing, the source of manna from heaven, this statement wouldn't make much sense, but once we see government as a metastatic tumor that's killing us, that statement makes sense. Government doesn't produce anything. It only takes. It skims half off the top to maintain and grow the government bureaucracy and redistributes the rest in the manner that best legitimizes government and keeps the politicians in power by buying votes with Other People's Money. Even if we disagree with the morality of government wealth redistribution, we should be able to agree that it's inefficient, with far too much of the loot going to the government.

      A progressive income tax is immoral. It's presented as charity, providing for the needs of the needy, but what charity is only possible at the muzzle of a gun? Is it moral to steal from others, if half of what is stolen is given to those less fortunate? True charity enriches the giver and the recipient, in much the same method that any voluntary trade by definition benefits both parties. The voluntary nature is a good metric of whether an exchange is good or bad. There is nothing voluntary about taxation. Rather than true charity, which was much more prevalent before our current high rate of taxes (because, why should I give to those less fortunate when I'm being robbed for that purpose), wealth redistribution via progressive taxation results in robbery victims and bitter entitlement resentment. Instead of both parties feeling better about true charity, we've allowed government to substitute a system that is worse for both parties.

      Progressive taxation results in a demoralizing race to the bottom. When all that's required to have a claim on another person's wealth is need, suddenly there will be a lot more people claiming need. If all that's required is to vote every four years to have a robber steal from your neighbor and give half to you, most people will realize that it's easier to place themselves below the median income line and live on the theft from others. On the other side, if you are productive and industrious, and everything you make above what's needed for basic subsistence is taken from you to provide the basic subsistence of others, what's your motivation to work harder when anything beyond subsistence will be stolen? Progressive taxation is a strong incentive for the productive to be less productive. Why pull the cart when you can ride in the cart? Why volunteer to be the victim of theft, when you can be the recipient of the stolen proceeds. Progressive taxation discourages productivity. This is why socialism and communism fail. That's no less true if we call it democracy and capitalism but have the same socialist/communist incentives.

      Have you wondered why Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty hasn't raised everyone in the US out of poverty? The percentages are no better today, and with the increased population, millions more are in poverty, despite billions of dollars a year spent fighting the war on poverty. At best, the war on poverty demonstrably does not work. At worst, it's a cynical scam by political shysters to enslave the productive through confiscatory income taxes while enslaving the poor through generational government dependence.

      As we learned in The Philosophy of Liberty, the theft of the productive output of another person is slavery. Whether I'm a 28% slave, or 50% slave, or 100% slave is only a matter of degree. It's still slavery. If you wouldn't own a slave because you believe that slavery is wrong, then why is it OK for your democratically elected representative government to own slaves?

    • Rosemary McGaughy
      Rosemary McGaughy 2 months ago

      It's not clear to me how the concept of self ownership, as stated in the video you referenced, is a basic fundamental truth or human right, although I can see how it is the governing principle of the philosophy of liberty described there. Are you saying that self-ownership is a basic human right then, and that it exists as the opposite of slavery? Simply being alive carries costs, whether someone is a slave or not, so I will reference my original response which was "nothing about basic human rights assumes that they don't cost anything". I wasn't implying that the costs of being alive should necessarily be transferred to someone else who must support another individual. People are interdependent, that's why we have family, community, society, and nations. In a "just" society, everyone would have a common understanding of social value systems and how they provide a support system for the larger whole. they would also understand what an individual's role is in that group situation. We know that most people don't usually thrive in solitary conditions, as demonstrated in movies like "Into the Wild", "Castaway" or "Murder in the First". So self ownership is fine and good, but still we usually exchange energy with other humans. How the enforcement of social values is implemented is up for debate. But first, there must be no internal conflict about what those values are or someone will feel that they are being "coerced" into participating in a structure which is unfair. Tax structures exist for a variety of reasons, one is to provide an organized and consistent form of infrastructure, another is to make certain basic goods and services available to people within a society, even if those people reside in the lower portion of the capitalist income bracket and cannot normally "afford" things like education or health care. If a person with more wealth thinks it is coercive to have to provide basic goods and services to other people in the community without being compensated by money, maybe they should recognize that they already are compensated with money and that's why they are wealthy enough to be taxed. Are people with enough wealth to be taxed really slaves? Really? It is possible to recognize that just about everything has a cost, even something as weird as a "basic human right" if you define cost as "the effort necessary to achieve something", which was my original response to your idea that making something a human right means someone else pays for it. Absurd. How "costs" are accounted can be complicated. But it was you that stated the contradiction by saying "claiming that something is a right but acknowledging that the same commodity has a physical cost implies that someone else must bear the cost of another person's basic human right". My original question is where are you getting this idea? As far as i know, nothing about the acknowledging the cost of anything implies that "someone else" should pay for it.

    • Rosemary McGaughy
      Rosemary McGaughy 2 months ago

      well i guess we could wipe out public education and health care altogether except for those who want to participate in it. i watched the video, but why would you tell me to "be prepared to watch it several times and think of deeper meanings..." that sounds coercive. is your main point to illustrate how easily we can be indoctrinated by mass media and other forms of social conditioning by being told to watch this or that, and then being told how we should think about it? or were you actually just trying to say "this is where I got my philosophy from, and i had to think about it a lot, and I assume that you, Rosemary, are probably accustomed to mediating through the coercive form of government even though I don't know much about you."?

    • Liberty4Ever
      Liberty4Ever 2 months ago

      Claiming that something is a right but acknowledging that the same commodity has a physical cost implies that someone else must bear the cost of another person's basic human right. That creates a contradiction that cannot exist. People have the basic human right not to be a slave, working to provide the goods or services that another claims as a basic human right. Should teachers work for free because education is a basic human right? Should teachers be paid a salary from taxes coerced from me, because education is a basic human right? Should a doctor or nurse be enslaved to provide healthcare because it's considered to be a basic human right? Should money be expropriated from me to pay doctors, nurses, insurance company executives and now federal bureaucrats at the DHS and IRS so that others can enjoy the basic human right of health care? What of my basic human right not to be a slave?

      I suggest you watch the eight minute video The Philosophy of Liberty. It's on YouTube. It's deceptively simple and it makes intuitive sense, but be prepared to watch it several times and think of the deeper meanings and revelations these concepts have for all interactions with other humans, including those you are probably accustomed to mediating though the coercive force of government.

    • Rosemary McGaughy
      Rosemary McGaughy 2 months ago

      Liberty4Ever nothing about basic human rights assumes they don't cost anything. where are you getting these ideas?

  • Liberty4Ever
    Liberty4Ever 5 months ago

    why not allow teachers to create their own methods of evaluating the academic success of their students? That's a great idea! We could also improve the testing results if we just allowed students to grade their own tests.. or write their own tests. I agree with a lot of what was said in this video. Education for profit isn't the answer. But many teachers believe that simply throwing money at the problem will make it better. When I was in school there was one teacher for 30 children. Now there's a teacher and a teacher's assistant and the results are worse than we were getting 40 years ago. There was a bus driver. Now there's a bus driver and the bus monitor. And behavioral problems on the bus are worse today than they were then. True a lot of the problems are what was mentioned in this video. Their problems that started home. We do need more accountability but we have a government that provides a strong financial incentive for single parent families. We should start focusing on that problem.

  • D Merk
    D Merk 5 months ago

    everyone knows it isn't working but we just keep going

  • Anne-Catherine Mulhern

    The reason that teachers aren't given more power in policy making is because they've had a pretty bad track record. Growing up my teachers were abusive sadists who liked to humiliate students and abused their position of power in the classroom. It seems that the current climate, as corrupt as it is, at least doesn't put teachers in this position of power anymore, which I am all for. We don't need to bring back those days. Instead, we need to look at a different way, where students are in charge of what they learn, where they decide what is best for them and let them learn things that get them excited.

    • love inallwedo
      love inallwedo 1 month ago

      @Anne-Catherine Mulhern Generalize much?

    • Andre Lee
      Andre Lee 3 months ago

      Well, the education system's way of creating teachers has also failed on many counts, as well as the teacher hiring process. Administrations generally only do what benefits them, not their constituents.

    • Melanie S
      Melanie S 4 months ago

      Kept under control mostly... Look at all the cases of abuse that still happen.

    • Melanie S
      Melanie S 4 months ago

      And btw there are still lots of teachers who are abusive sadists, but they're kept under control.

    • Melanie S
      Melanie S 4 months ago

      I agree completely!!! Some teachers really shouldn't be teaching

  • Michał Woźniak
    Michał Woźniak 5 months ago

    I agree to every single sentence spoken By Joshua, damn I was looking so long for someone who would clarify everything about education system. I'm grateful

  • Ryan Morin
    Ryan Morin 6 months ago


  • Francis Njuguna
    Francis Njuguna 6 months ago

    That voice was too breathy

  • Marshall Curtis
    Marshall Curtis 6 months ago

    My dad always said that one always needed a "well-rounded education" in college. This means "education for education's sake" in my mind, which is part of the "toxic culture of education". Me, I go along with Henry Ford's idea of learning only what you need to know, when you need to know it.

  • Addonexus TheDeestoyer

    I agree to some of this but i don't feel like everything is just a home problem and kids need more policies based on life goals. The problem really is comprehension for me for anything to do with algebra or geometry. I simply don't get it, its not anything to do with me or my home life. sure I have problems, absolutely, my house is far from perfect. However, this has nothing to do with my comprehension of math. What i do agree with, is the fact that education is all about money, and the system, they need to start caring more about their students and more about actually teaching important topics on a personal level rather than trying to cram facts and information. over and over and over. I have memorization issues, formulas go straight over my head, algebra isn't my thing but i make outstanding grades in literature and im writing novels currently, multiple. I love literature and i adore words and reading but math just goes over my head. People are simply given the ability to do somethings, we cant all be the jack of all trades and we shouldn't all have to learn it all and all go to college. The government tries to make it all too systematic and fact based. You can act like its the parents, or a fund problem, or a food problem, or the teachers problem, or whoever; but when it all comes down to it, the worst factor is the system as a whole, the little guy is just there. My name is a number, i don't even exist more than my student ID to the system. Teachers don't have time or patience to befriend everyone, just like i don't have time or patience to take every class. We cant expect everyone to excel at everything. I know people many people who make high grade averages. 4.0, sophomore year they're already getting college invites, they take all honers classes. I'v met those people, i befriend those people. But those people, the ones who conform to just doing everything they can and spending every waken moment studying for those tests and redoing and revising all the same work, none of them understand the world. I argue that the correlation between home-life and grades is real, but i feel like societies idea of a good home life is causing what society calls good grades, and in reality those are the problems. We're breeding people who don't even know their rights and don't even understand how other houses work at all differently because they know nothing other than to conform. A teacher yells at them for being in the wrong place at the wrong time because something happened at home and they're upset, they instantly go to victim blaming themselves, they conform to every thing society wants. We don't have an education system. We breed lab rats, they work in labs and work with rats, but they're no different from the rats they test. They're impulsive and work to get that little nibble of cheese and then report to the guy above them who takes all the credit. These people that society considers intellectual geniuses don't even know that there is anything different from the way they live. I honestly had someone tell me onetime they didn't even know that washing clothes without separating them was even physically possible, in all seriousness and reality they had no idea that it could even be done. We're creating a race of robots that know nothing any different from how they're told to do something, and that, that's whats wrong with the education system. We tell them collage is knowledge and stick that in their brains while teachers have 4 years of it and make barely over minimum wage. The richest people that have ever even lived or walked the face of this earth barely had education at all, most of them not even to a third grade level, and they ran the country and created the internet and built us to where we are. Do people not know that 1/3 college kids are assaulted in some way? do people not know that most homeless people had college? do people not realize that if everyone had college we're in the same situation as if absolutely no one did, making us all equal again and put in another job finding problem situation? But that doesn't matter because college is knowledge, and above all debt is key, we can work it off by the time we're 40 at a job we don't enjoy, but we don't know that but what is joy. that's the world we live in today. We haven't burned the books yet, but the way things are going, Fahrenheit 451 may have predicted the future. People who don't understand anything except accepting that they exist and they have to conform to society. People that accept every piece of information the government feeds them. People that feel no remorse for the dead and see life like a task no different than sleeping or watching television. We even have groups of people so confused that in order to evade one system they go to another in which they rebel against everything and ask for every freedom they can get their fingers around, so eager to get away that they get stuck in another conformative state. It's pathetic

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    Jen Smith 6 months ago


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