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Marvin Hagler vs Roberto Duran Rounds 14-15



"Marvelous" faces "Manos de piedra"

1983-11-10. Caesars Palace, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

WBC middleweight title
WBA middleweight title
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Author Angel Delgado ( ago)
Hagler lost this fight all the way so the decision was made in Las Vegas so
nothing strange just watch the Hagler face after the fight.

Author Ulises Hs ( ago)
the decision was 116-115 , 114-112, 114-113 or Am I wrong?=

so i dont entending which much people say what hagler win to long

(i speak english a few)

Author Spencer Elliott ( ago)
HAPPY 64th BIRTHDAY to ROBERTO DURAN!

Author D Vasquez ( ago)
DURAN, CHAVEZ, ARGUELLO, BENITEZ, MARVIN HAGLER, DE LOS MEJORES PELEADORES
CLÁSICOS DE LA HISTORIA DEL BOXEO DE LOS ÚLTIMOS 50 AÑOS.

MUHANMAD ALI ERA UN CASO ESPECIAL. GEORGE FOREMAN ERA UN GRAN BOXEADOR PERO
ALGO DÉBIL DE QUIJADA. FRAZIER ERA UN PRIMITIVO PERO UN PELEADOR SIN
CUARTEL, UN TORO.

Y SUGAR RAY LEONARD, VENIA DETRÁS DE ELLOS, AUNQUE CON SU ESTILO COBARDÓN
LE GANO A DOS DE LOS MENCIONADOS PRIMERO.

DESPUÉS ESTABAN LOS OTROS BOXEADORES DE ESTILO DE PELEA COBARDÓN COMO
CAMACHO, LOS QUE FUERON BUENOS PERO NO ALCANZARON A SER VERDADERAS
LEYENDAS, AUNQUE SI SE LES RECORDARA. POR EJEMPLO A CAMACHO POR SU FÍSICO
ESPECTACULAR, UN ROPERO AMBULANTE AL QUE DERRIBARLO ERA CASI IMPOSIBLE.

Author D Vasquez ( ago)
DURAN EN ESTOS 2 ROUNDS PAGO CARO SU PELEA DE INTERCAMBIO DE GOLPES DE
PRINCIPIO A FIN CON HAGLER. EL PELADO, QUE GANO PERO DURAN LO ABLANDO PARA
EL RESTO DE SU CAMPAÑA DONDE FINALMENTE TUVO QUE RETIRARSE, HIZO VALER SU
MAYOR PESO Y ENVERGADURA, MIENTRAS QUE DURAN YA SINTIÓ LA DIFERENCIA DE
PESOS.

DE TODOS MODOS, DURAN DEMOSTRÓ LO GRAN BOXEADOR QUE FUE.

Author PermacultureDreams Wheels ( ago)
pacquiao

Author 39LEGOTO ( ago)
No mas, maricon ni parece latino que se rajo con Leonard. Fue bueno pero no
grande como los sudacas o centrocacas dicen. Puro odio hacia Mexico como
siempre.

Author John Stots ( ago)
That's the lead singer out of Hot Chocolate.

Author Benito Urtiaga ( ago)
HAGLER TENÍA CORTADA HASTA LA PELADA!!!! AGUANTE ROBERTO CARAJO!!!

Author Benito Urtiaga ( ago)
DURAN UN GUAPO COMO POCOS!!!!!. PELEÓ CON LOS MEJORES!!!!!!! GRANDE
ROBERTITO!!!! CARIÑOS DE TUS HERMANOS ARGENTINOS DE CORDOBA:

Author J.B Mac Forever ( ago)
Duran was my idol is those days,but the more that i see this fight i see
that Marvin won this by a long shot.

Author jc morales ( ago)
Aburrida. Pinche. Pelea. Vale. Verga. Como. Es. Que. Le. Decian. Mano. De.
Piedra. Si no tenia. Pegada. 

Author thad g ( ago)
Hagler's punches had no "bad intentions" on his punches in this fight. He
boxed Duran (a blown up lightweight) and fought John Mugabi, Tommy Hearns,
and Tony Sibson toe-to-toe. Go figure. 

Author OctaviusTheGreat ( ago)
What would happen if Hagler was a LightWeight at 135?

Author vfr090 ( ago)
Creo que se te olvida el punto que te equivocaste en cuantos pesos
distintos gano campeonatos mundiales, eso te hace un experto supuestamente?
intentar agredir con tus argumentos falsos y despues no aceptar y olvidar
que te equivocaste? si ni siquiera tuviste el criterio para aceptarlo,
entonces tampoco tienes criterio para apreciar que peleador es mejor que
otro, Duran es de los peleadores mas sobrevaluados de la historia, no vale
la pena seguir hablando con un necio. Saludos.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
Muy ignorantes sus comentarios Vfr090. Te ciega el nacionalismo y no logras
ver la verdad, sin embargo aún en méxico es sabido por los expertos que
durán tiene mayores logros y de mayor envergadura que los de chavez.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
Es muy ignorante tu comentario, entonces randall, whitaker y los bultos con
que peleó chavez y lo vencieron son mejores. De la hoya es papá de chhavez.
Durán peleó con camacho a sus 47 años, aún así le ganó la primera pelea y
sel a robaron. No compares a chavez con durán, eso es no tener claridad en
este deporte.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
Te falta conocimiento de quien es durán amigo. Duran es de los peleadores
mas versatiles y tiene de las mejores defensas del boxeo, fue campeon en 5
pesos distintos y paso por encima la categoria jr welter porque no le
intereso, hubiese facilmente sido campeon en 6 divisiones distintas, chaves
solo en 3, no hay comparación, solo en mexico tienen el DESCARO de comparar
a duran con ese boxeador chavez.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
Eresm bien ignorante en el deporte, Duran fue campeón en 5 pesos distintos,
es mas el contrincante que ves en este video hubiera aniquilado a chaves,
chaves JAMAS pelio por encima de los 147 libras siendo el mas pesado que
Duran, Duran fue campeon en las 154, 160 y 168 por eso y mucho mas el
propio durán riendose dijo: chave no me llega ni a los talones....Y no te
doy otra no mas porque....

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
No comparemos a durán con chaves. Durán fue campeón en 4 pesos y hubiese
sido 5 pesos si no se salta el peso welter junior para ganarle el welter a
sugar ray leonard. Eso es algo que chaves no soñó jamás hacer.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
VFR90, Durán es mucho mejor que camacho y chavez juntos. Camacho le ganó a
un sugar ray leonard anciano, Durán le ganó a Sugar ray leonard en su
prime, en su mejor momento de la carrera de sugar y OJO subió dos
categorías para enfrentarlo, luego durán fue campeón en 154 y 160
(medianos) cosa que chaves JAMAS podría haber hecho y en efecto ni lo
intentó, Durán pudo logralro por su devastadora pegada, sino mira lo que
hagler , sugar, dicen sobre durán, que simplemente es el mejor boxeador.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
A Durán le robaron una de sus peleas con camacho, eso está clarito!

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
Yes, Hagler is a GREAT boxing legend!!

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
You aint got it right here. Duran is best pxp of the fab four.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
After this fight (years after) Duran became the middleweight champion of
the world by deafiting Iran Barkley!

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
No mencionemos a chaves en la misma línea que a durán, no hay comparación,
Durán le ganó a Buchanan, Sugar leonard, davey moore, casi le gana a Hagler
un mediano, chaves nunca pasó de las 147 siendo un welter natural, mas
pesado que Durán...Durán fue campeón a los 38 años en los pesos medianos,
peso que chaves JAMÁS se atevió a incurcionar, Durán lo hizo por la pegada
devastadora que tenía, desde Durán hasta hoy no ha habido otro igual a el.

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
Duran was a natural lightweight my friend!!

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
HAGLER said: : I thought he was going to fight like against Leonard, but
changed its strategy and i was surprised by his devastating punching power.
As you know I was just thrilled to be in the ring with a triple world
champion Roberto Duran who gave a lot of credit for being skilled and
experienced. I think I did a great job with him.. I lost the first rounds
because I could not understand what the hell i was going wrong, Duran
continued answering all my forehand..

Author ForzaAquila ( ago)
don't forget Hearns

Author ihasch ( ago)
This fight reminds me a bit of Hagler/Antefuermo 1 (which Hagler should
have won). Hagler built up the lead then the other fighter rallied later.
But here Hagler got rds. 14 and 15 clearly. Duran was the Junior
Middleweight champion before this fight (154lb). So that is only a six
pound difference and most fighters typically progress from welterweight to
middleweight as they get older. Hearns made the leap from welterweight to
light heavy because his frame was so tall that it was natural.

Author Clarissa Davis ( ago)
la verdad con todo respeto no creo que Chavez hubiese durado una pelea con
la mitad de los que peleo Duran, y no digo que no era bueno, solo digo que
las peleas de la epoca de de Duran si eran verdaeras peleas y se fajaban
con lo mejor y no solo por dinero era mas que todo con amor al boxeo, no
como se hace en la actualidad que se crean una victorias con bultos y luego
se vencden por dinero. Duran es y sera el mejor Latino en la historia del
boxeo

Author fagiu ( ago)
Naa, two completely different fights And Dundee was Ray's trainer, not the
most unbiased guy around when it comes to Duran-Leonard

Author tellthetruthg ( ago)
Duran stays outside a lot picking his spots when to stand toe to toe. Duran
fans love his boxing ability, SRL does the same in the 2cnd fight with RD
and gets called out for not fighting by the same fans of Duran. You get the
hypocracy? Best fairest dude in boxing I ever heard speak was from Dundee.
He knew SRL was a better fighter in II regardless of what Duran did.

Author garrison968 ( ago)
Even though Duran lost this fight, I thought he fought well. I wish he
would have retired after. He went up two full divisions, to fight one of
the greatest middleweights ever. And he held his own against him. Hagler
came on in the last two rounds and that is what won it for him.

Author paul ashton ( ago)
not only did duran lose this fight he got humiliated by leanerd and butt
fucked by tommy hearns

Author johnwcreasy1 ( ago)
diehard DURAN, yeah he went toe to toe with the best at the time,but he
lost to em all as well.remember that part

Author KC0462 ( ago)
remember this is a natural lightweight against a natural middleweight and
he still took him the distance

Author Gregg Powers ( ago)
LOve Hagler he's my all time favorite . BUT if duran had a decent trainer
and dicipline he would have beaten Hagler.

Author Rspene smit ( ago)
Duran was an awesome LW & Solid WW, he would have won the JWW title if he
had not skipped it, but at Middleweight he could not beat other great
fighters, Hagler gave him too much respect and if he had hated him as much
as he did Hearns, he would have destroyed him, but he respected him and
therefore held back more than he should have, he did beat Leonard the 1st
time.

Author Angel Delgado ( ago)
Sorry, everybody can make review round by round, sorry but Duran won this
fight.

Author Susu Shensaung ( ago)
Funny thing is if hagler fought the first round like he did the 15th round
the fight would have ended 14 rounds sooner. Hagler chose to box first and
then tried to finish him in the end but to Duran's craftiness and heart he
didn't oblige.

Author Joe Gates ( ago)
And Duran started as a lightweight. The fact that he fought middleweights
well says a great deal.

Author Jon Bathurst ( ago)
hed smash whitaker at LW

Author Susu Shensaung ( ago)
Ahahahha hagler schooled a legend easily. What does that make him?

Author ChecktheScreen ( ago)
Sorry, Chavez fought Whitaker. All great fights

Author osamabad ( ago)
Whitaker? You must have him mistaken with Chavez.

Author berkslaw ( ago)
You're a fool.

Author azaproc ( ago)
Que maldita guerra!!

Author Stephen Martin ( ago)
Hagler fought everyone they put in front of him. The same could have been
said about Bernard Hopkin's greatest performances against DeLahoya and
Trinidad only unlike Hagler, Hopkins DID lose to some bigger guys who had
skill like Roy Jones Jr, Calzaghe, Taylor twice and he had nothing but
trouble with Winky Wright as well. Also, I didn't see Michael Spinks and
others challenging Hagler at a catch weight either and Hagler probably made
more money fighting guys like Hearns and Leonard.

Author Stephen Martin (400 years ago)
It's not his fault that some smaller fighters wanted to move up in class
and challenge him for his title and 2 of those so-called smaller fighters
(Hearns and Leonard) moved all the way up to light heavyweight. Hagler beat
Duran who beat Barkley for the middleweight title, he beat Hearns who had
the greatest right hand ever in those divisions, he beat Mugabi who was
26-0 with 26 knock outs and many felt that he beat Leonard. He EARNED his
legacy. Not all fighters are meant to move up in weight.

Author Stephen Martin (1246 years ago)
You're confusing Duran with Chavez. He never fought Whitaker. Also he DID
beat Leonard in their first fight and was a 4 division world champion. Give
the guy some credit! Just about no one would have been able to beat Hagler
in his prime.

Author budfr ( ago)
Both great fighters but I take my hat off for Duran cause he moved up in
weight.

Author Julian Johnson ( ago)
he is confused with Chavez, what an idiot

Author Julian Johnson ( ago)
stupidest thing I ever heard, Duran was at his best at LW, he is considered
the best Leightweight ever, EVER, top five P4P, on one in my 45 years that
is on that list

Author alkolicho ( ago)
The what do You think about Chavez-Laporte and Chavez Lockridge... was
almost the same case!!

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
you can't say he won it comfortably,not the 75 fight.That's an inaccurate
statement.one judge had it 5-4-1 for duran and these judges were duran
nuthuggers,Imagine an objective judge,easily could have been 5-4-1- for
viruet!thats not a comfortable win.

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
Then came leonard and benitez.Why not believe viruet outpointed him in the
fight I saw live.I can judge a fight as well as the next person? I loved
duran but facts are facts,ali was my hero and he lost that fight to Jimmy
Young by decision as well as the three norton fights,in my opinion nad I
was at yankee stadium for their third fight.Ali never beat norton on my
cards in three fights but he was a better fighter then norton,

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
Duran didnt demonstrate effective aggression as well as viruet demonstrated
more ring generalship.

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
Im talking their fight in 1975 not the other fights,I think they fought 3
times.The thrilla in manila card was the live bout we saw 9/17/75.edwin
outpointed duran by one round.

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
He looked better in person outpointing a frustrated duran then he did on
TV.maybe that's what you missed.The judges favored duran .But Tony
castallano had it 5-4-1 for duran.It should have been the other way
around,very close fight but edwin did an ali on duran and squeezed out a
close splitter.It should have been a 5-4-1 for viruet and you would agree
if you didnt know both fighters and saw it live.

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
I saw it live at the colleseum on the thrilla in manilla card where they
rolled down 4 huge screens and showed the ali/frazier stunner. We were at
ringside and viruet squeezed a decision.We gave him 6 rounds.

Author alkolicho ( ago)
Only Puerto Ricans and anti-Duran 'fans' think Viruet won. Virtually
everyone else correctly scored it for Duran. It was a terrific fight but
Roberto Duran won it comfortably. Leonard and Benitez are among the best of
all time and would have also defeated Chavez, De La Hoya and Joppy

Author alkolicho ( ago)
Jejejeje hablaste con sensatez, por fin! Mosley fue un hombre de vistoso
estilo y buena tecnica ademas de pegar duro en las 135 libras pero no fue
kamas mas grande Chavez; es el mismo caso de Camacho y Duran. A un abuelo
fuera de forma y con 50 años es muy facil ganarle. Hay un material de box
que deseo compartir contigo confirmame escibiendo a drmendezrauly@hotmail.es

Author vfr090 ( ago)
Pues no considero que Mosley haya sido mejor peleador o que haya tenido
mejor trayectoria que Chavez, ni mas campeonatos en diferentes divisiones y
tambien creo que esto opina la critica especializada, en ningun ranking
libra por libra de los 100 mejores peleadores de la historia aparece Mosley
arriba de Chavez que yo conozca, es mas en algunos ni siquiera aparece.
Duran es uno de los grandes en la historia cuando la competencia era mucho
mejor que la de ahora.

Author alkolicho ( ago)
Estoy de acuerdo en que Duran debio retirarse a tiempo; mas reconozco que
Chavez tenia un estilo mas pulido que el de Duran, siendo ambos dos
fajadores; mas creo injusto desmeritar la carrera de uno en pos de alabar
al otro: Chavez mas disciplinado y mejor manejado, Duran tuvo una carrera
mas riesgosa, pero fue muy indisicplinado en la ultima etapa de su carrera.

Author alkolicho ( ago)
A Julio Cesar Chavez le gano dos veces y en pelea de campeonato Oscar De la
Hoya ya De la hoya le gano dos veces Mosley... entonces, fue Mosley mas
grande que Chavez por este hecho, tal como tu insinuas con el caso de
Duran-Camacho?? Olvidas que Camacho fue favorecido con una injusta desicion
en la primera pelea y en la segunda le gano aun anciano de 50 años y que
cuando Chavez y Camacho se enfrentaron ambos estaban en pelnitud de
facultades con 30 años, y Duran es 11 años older que Camacho???

Author alkolicho ( ago)
De esas 16 peleas que perdio Duran una fue un robo ante Camacho, otra ante
Robbie Sims y otra ante Vinny Pazienza, Camacho le gano a un Ray Leonard
con 40 años y seis retirado del boxeo sin embargo esa "calidad" que
demostro ante Leonard no fue capaz de demostrala contra un De la Hoya a
penas unos meses despues. Entre los pugiles que si ha evolucionado y
mejorado con el paos del tiempo estan Manny Pacquiao y Sergio Martinez.

Author vfr090 ( ago)
Tienes razón cada pugil tiene sus limitaciones pero algunos se quedan asi
sin evolucionar y pierden 16 peleas peleando igual...asi era Duran, quiza
si se hubiera retirado a tiempo como lo hizo de la Hoya. Y Chavez tan
unidimensional como tu lo consideras logro lo que Duran no pudo hacer nunca
y en dos peleas de campeonato...ganarle a Hector Camacho y Camacho le gano
a Sugar Ray Leonard asi que saca tus cuentas. Estamos hablando de
peleadores que tienen mi respeto. Saludos.

Author alkolicho ( ago)
If you have taken a career Duran maintained and well managed by its
promoters and managers as is the case with Canelo or put it online 43
unknown fighters like Chavez, Duran would you say was invincible and that
was the best? Even in its heyday, Duran always had its limitations, and so
fight against the best, to Chavez gave him many online butes to inflate
your record and so Chavez looks like "invincible"

Author alkolicho ( ago)
Who is invincible??? Until Ray Robinson defeats suffered! A Duran never
gave him victories ties or false: fight against the best and no record was
inflated at the expense of poor boxers who posed no danger to the as is the
case with other boxers.

Author alkolicho ( ago)
Me imagino que tampoco quiso lastimar a Vito Antuofermo ni al Martillo
Roldan...

Author alkolicho ( ago)
Bueno, cada pugil tiene sus limitaciones: el Duran que peleo a sus inicios
no es el mismo que entreno Brown y Arcel a partir de su pelea contra
Kobayashi, donde Duran ya habia pulido su defensa. Boxeadores limitados y
unidimensionales si eran Chavez, Hatton, y Gatti que solo iban hacia
adelante y tambien perdian cuando les tocaba salir contra tipos rapidos
como De la Hoya, Pacquiao o Mayweather

Author ChecktheScreen ( ago)
You`re right, I was thinking about Julio Caesar Chavez and Pernell
Whitaker. Chavez was a great fighter, but in my opinion Duran was better.
Now that I think about it; I meant that last comment for all Chavez fans,
but i digress. PEACE

Author fagiu ( ago)
He never fought Whitaker

Author ChecktheScreen ( ago)
Diehard Duran fans will also always think Duran was unbeatable against
other great boxers, Duran definitely lost to Hagler, Ray Leonard in the 2nd
fight, and Pernell Whitaker.

Author counterstriving ( ago)
Hagler is just amazing in these last two rounds.

Author Fire Mitchell-SAN ( ago)
Wow how manly of Hagler to fight a man who was once a long time light
weight. And Hagler was even cautious with Duran. How did Hagler fight
Michael Spinks? Oh yeah he wouldn't move up in weight he only wanted to
have smaller fighters move up to him.

Author sugzinho ( ago)
duran won that fight - commentators talking shit as normal

Author KC0462 ( ago)
natural light weight against a natural middle weight and he still took him
the distance!!!!!!!!!!

Author carmodifire ( ago)
It would be cool if it were a brawl like Hagler-Hearns

Author xxx you ( ago)
@vfr090 PERDIA PO VIEJO PAJUO

Author fischparov ( ago)
Marvin won this fight going away..no doubt..however that duran went 15
tough rounds says a few things about both guys Later on Marvin admited
begrudging respect for RD remember guys an older lightweight ATG against an
ATG middle. Think hagler was surprised he couldnt KO duran. ...However P4P
duran was easily better atg duran top 5 hagler top 10

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
‘’Después del combate yo me fui para mi casa y él para el hospital’’ –
Roberto Durán, sobre su derrota ante Marvin Hagler

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
@sherrod3879 you duran hater! Best p4p since Ali: Roberto Duran!

Author Rundm3p ( ago)
@Wamz1978 Specialists said he would of win if it was a 12 rounds fight ...

Author luis abrego ( ago)
duran perdio pero le quieto lo maravilloso a hagler hoy en dia son buenos
amigos

Author Kool Kroozer ( ago)
Duran sure did lose and lose he did ! but he came to fight and you have to
respect that, Duran is a legend in the boxing world and gained alot of
respect from hagler for it - Unlike Leaonard who is a big girls blouse had
to wait to fight hagler when he was way past his peak... but the greatest
thing of all was to watch leonard carry on fighting other boxers after the
split points win over hagler (refusing a re match) and getting battered by
the likes of camacho and ended up as a stepping stone

Author Clogg ( ago)
This was a "good loss" for Duran... No one expected him to win and he gave
a good account of himself, showed a lot of the defensive brilliance that
was such a key to his greatness as a fighter... but make no mistake, he
LOST. Marvin clearly won the fight. Anyone scoring this for Duran does not
understand boxing and has no idea how to score a fight. The best you could
do for Roberto is give him 6 rounds

Author matowatakpe ( ago)
Duran, a natural lightweight 135pnds..fighting at 160pnds, 32yrs old! going
15 rounds with Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Hagler was considered one of the
best middle weights ever. Do you think Hagler would last 15rnds with
Micheal Spinks at lightheavy 15pnds up? Spinks called out Hagler,Leonard,
Hearns...no one would take the bait!

Author vfr090 ( ago)
@alkolicho "Raro el pugil"....no, mas bien raro seria que no cambien su
estilo, precisamente los grandes lo son porque su estilo y estrategia
madura con el tiempo y hasta de pelea a pelea dependiendo el peleador que
enfrentan..que no viste Rocky 1,2,3,4,5,6....jajajaja. Ya en serio...Duran
era un golpeador muy limitado y unidimensional desde el punto de vista
tecnico con una stamina excepcional...ahora, no nada mas lo digo yo, lo
dice su record...cuando peleaba contra un boxer redondo..perdia.

Author TheLatinoAssassin480 ( ago)
@fadethetrade I love both Duran and Tyson they're both my favorites.

Author TheLatinoAssassin480 ( ago)
@fadethetrade Duran may not be fastest but that certainly does not make him
any less greater than Mike Tyson and plus Duran had a far better
resume,athleticism and skills than Tyson but then a again it's like
comparing apples and oranges both of these boxers are great at THEIR OWN
WEIGHT but Tyson in his prime even had some downsides such as struggling
against tall less skilled fighters such as Bonecrusher Smith and Tony
Tucker. Like I said you shouldn't compare these two and...

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
@alkolicho No,duran lacked the ability to be faster then crafty boxers.The
way duran lost and was outfinessed by leonard and viruet sort of outpointed
him in 10 rounds.I was in the collaseum and saw it live on the ali/frazier
manilla fight on the big screen.Duran was totallly outboxed and that was
75.Tyson between 86-88 barely lost 2 rounds in ANY fight including 8 title
defenses before his 22 nd birthday.No one comes close to tyson in that
short frame,not even duran.sorry.

Author alkolicho ( ago)
@fadethetrade U are totally right about Tyson history!!! It is true... but
the Duran`s prime was at 70s decade: in that time he was unbetable. Is it
true??

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
More quotes during tysons best 2 yr period - Holyfield on oprah - In 1985
tyson outworked me in the gym."

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
I know it will be impossible to convince many that tyson was the best ever
at one 2 yr period in his life and I understand you cant rate a fighter as
a great fighter who never fought and beat another great like ali but had
tyson have that chance,in hindsight,based on how he mutiliated a still very
capable holmes who almost drew with a prime holyfield .Quoteby lewis - "I
never wanted to fight tyson when he was 19,he was an animal"

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
Quotes: Lamotta - "tyson is the best heavyweight since louis,he's a black
marciano,only bigger and stronger",Dundee, after douglas loss -"tyson got
empty early". Pacheco in 89 "holyfield would need a prayer against tyson".
Pacheco 91 - Tyson no longer breathing fire,coming in with his head moving
and throwing combinations,with a fighter like this,you have to wonder,what
will holyfield do with a guy like this". Michael Katz,daily news - 1988
,tyson is the best poiund for pounder in history".

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
Tyson was so good in 87-88,picture a manny pacman/duran/ali mix.Thats what
tyson was for a short period.But you become convinced after douglas beats
him ,that tyson was overrated but not when he worked the ideals and program
that was instilled in him by damato.How could you beat a guy who,in
combination,is stronger and faster at the same time as any body who ever
laced up a glove?You have to have a prayer to hope tyson goes in there in a
flat stationary head hunting mode.thats what douglas did

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
And his ability declined immensly at the fragile young age of 24 because
all the ideals and techniques he trained and learned from cus damato,he
abandoned in 1989 so by then,it was just a matter of time that a fighter
was able to set HIS pace on tyson because tyson was no longer moving his
head in the same fasion as he did in 87-88 and he no longer threw jabs and
counter combinations.these three traits were what made him virtually
unbeatable.Holmes quoted "tyson was extremely hard to hit "

Author fadethetrade ( ago)
@alkolicho Of course you will dispute,I don't care because he was soo
fucking good and it wasnt his fault that
holy,bowe,lewis,ali,frazier,foreman were not all in their primes in
87-88.Tyson would have beaten all of them but only when he was training 12
hrs a day and fighting every 3 months utilizing the defensive first
posture..this type of conditioning and fight schedule unheard of for a
heavyweight,would have gotten him past those 5 ..He had the fastest muscle
fiber twitching in history.

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